Curse

Mimi Miyagi · Jul 19, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39

[QUOTE=Mithie]even more blah blah blah...QUOTE]

It's nice that folks come and defend someone's ehonor, but apparently, some folks suffer from reading comprehension problems.

To reiterate (is that too big of a word for you?), I don't mind if some noob wants to watch a cutscene and I don't flame them if they do - but if 7 of 8 vote to skip, THEN BE CONSIDERATE AND SKIP AS WELL, INSTEAD OF BEING A SELFISH ASSHAT!

I hope the caps help.

And yes, my other comments about how long it's taking him to finish were simply to dig under his/her/it's skin for the ignorant flaming I got. Pot/Kettle kind of thing. Quite nice you you to ride up on your white stallion to defend her ehonor, sir knight. Your ewenis must be ehuge by now, you do this often?

Perception · Jul 19, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

I play things like this, "Oh look cut scene. I want to watch, I sit there and watch. Oh, 5 of 6 don't want to watch, tough!" They complain, I ignore, simple simple.

Kamatsu made some really good points and I agree with what each point covered. If I press skip a cutscene and someone else doesn't, oh well, I'll watch it, but I would never bitch someone out for it. In fact I've encouraged people to not skip if they want to watch, if they all skip, I'm assuming they didn't want to watch it...

Kamatsu · Jul 19, 2005, 11:40 PM // 23:40

MSecorsky - I'll admit, if I was watching a cutscene and the group started getting attacked I would skip it just to stop us from dying, especialy if it was a in-the-middle cutsceneplay the mission for the cutscene.. better to do that than die and have ppl moan and complain about dying and loosing the mission :P

Mithie - thanx for your post. I appreciate your input into the whole matter.

Arvydas - I think I must have run into one of MM's pals/alt's when I ran that char through to post-searing. Seriously, that player has an attitude very simily to MM's attitude he's showing here. I can deal with that kinda nonsense, but doesn't make my game enjoyable. I do feel sorry for any truly new player who has that happen to them. If i got abused like I ws right near the start of the game, I'd be terribly put off and consider not playing maybe. Or playing with pure henchies always and never talking to anyone.

I guess what it comes down to is that many people, including myself, have an "me" complex. This is why they want to skip the cutscenes. Because they have seen it before and just want to get on with the game and move on. They don't stop to consider the other players, they just want to skip because they have seen them before and don't wish to see them. Me? I want to see them, thus for me I either play with henchies or will make sure I'm in a party that doesn't mind seeing the cutscenes. I'll not be pressing "skip" even if the rest of the party has. Only reason I'd press skip is if the party was being attacked.

And I agree about asking the group beforehand about the cutscenes. If they don't want to watch them then I won't play with them. Simple as that. Saves some anger in the end.

And that brings me to...

10. Dance parties :P

I admit I've always scoffed at these and thought that they were pretty stupid and rediculious. I was in Fort Ranik yesterday and was chatting to some ppl there. Talking about the game and whats comming up and what ppl wanted.

Don't know how it started, but were ended up standing around trying to do co-ordinated dancing. First it was 3 necro's sand then 4 or 5 rangers.. it was a ball. It took ages to get ppl to use the /dance * emote.. and to get the timing right... but it was funny.. and was cool when the different gender/classes could get it done right.

I guess I'll never laugh or scoff at a dance party again.. because boy was that fun... and what a waste of like 1-2 hours of my time.. LOL We had ppl doing their dances, ppl drumming, etc. We had sicko male warrior's starting their dance behind female chaarcters... ewww! LOL and the Benny Hill effect as the girls moved away... hehehe

MM - I actually have a serious question for you. Now i know some people might say to take it private, but since this issue is all in the open, I think I'll just ask publically.

Now you've stated you don't mind watching cutscenes if the "new players" want to watch them but will want to skip if the majority want to. My question is - what about the 2nd cutscene in the game?

Thats the one cutscene where you are unuvoidably put into a group which you have no control over. The person(s) your put in might or might not want to watch or skip the cutscene. Will you be upset/angry/whatever if you started a new character and wanted to skip that cutscene but the other person(s) wanted to watch it?

Considering that from beyond that point on you can choose who you want to group with, but that group in that section/mission is forced upon you with no choice. Just curious really.

lg5000 · Jul 20, 2005, 01:26 AM // 01:26

[QUOTE=Mimi Miyagi]

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Originally Posted by Mithie

even more blah blah blah...QUOTE]

To reiterate (is that too big of a word for you?), I don't mind if some noob wants to watch a cutscene and I don't flame them if they do - but if 7 of 8 vote to skip, THEN BE CONSIDERATE AND SKIP AS WELL, INSTEAD OF BEING A SELFISH ASSHAT!

How do you know that 1 person who wants to watch isn't a noob? This is my first time playing the game.. but, how do you know that? Do you realise that my level 18 monk (yes, I'm proud of my achievement) is my first character? or are you going to randomly consider me to be inconsiderate for wanting to watch it?

Oh.. and what's this about watching the cutscenes and being attacked? Are they insane? How would a new person (me) be able to watch them if the team is attacked... unless.. I want to re-do it just to attempt to watch it without being attacked (yes, noobi-ishm showing through at lack of understanding that one)

Alderman Sweet · Jul 20, 2005, 01:30 AM // 01:30

If the majority of players want to skip the cutscene, I'll skip it. If one player is holding out, I figure s/he hasn't seen it, so I don't mind. Nothing I can do about it anyway.

Paul Templar · Jul 20, 2005, 02:04 AM // 02:04

you sound like a fun person to play with at least one who learns from his mistakes like most of us
about the cut scene yep what everyone else said under attack skip
if you see me around maybe we could team up and go exploring

Mimi Miyagi · Jul 20, 2005, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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Originally Posted by kamatsu

Now you've stated you don't mind watching cutscenes if the "new players" want to watch them but will want to skip if the majority want to. My question is - what about the 2nd cutscene in the game?

Thats the one cutscene where you are unuvoidably put into a group which you have no control over. The person(s) your put in might or might not want to watch or skip the cutscene. Will you be upset/angry/whatever if you started a new character and wanted to skip that cutscene but the other person(s) wanted to watch it?

Considering that from beyond that point on you can choose who you want to group with, but that group in that section/mission is forced upon you with no choice. Just curious really.

I honestly can't understand how I can state something at least three times in a thread, yet people just don't friggin "get it".

If the majority of hte people want to skip, then the last holdout should skip, it's just being considerate. If they don't, they're being lame. I don't, however, go around cussing people out, and act like a prick. I don't CARE. But it's just simple common friggin courtesy to move along, when everyone else wants to move along.

I don't care what mission or circumstance it is.

You'll have a whole 10 or so months before the next expansion comes out - in time, you'll get tired of listening to the horrible acting after watching the same cut scenes a dozen times just like everyone else. Just wait until you get to Elona Reach and have to redo that mission 20-30 times to finally get a good group that knows how to do that mission successfully. You'll be begging for someone to skip by the fifth or sixth time. It was even more unbearable during that mission because anet forgot to start the misison timer AFTER the cutscene - nothing like having a mission with a time limit cut by two minutes even before you start. Thankfully they fixed it.

And people that don't skip if the party is being attacked during a cutscene need to get a clue. I've had half a party get whacked because one person didn't skip a cutscene during an infusion run. You'd think that once a person gets ascended they'd have an idea about how to play this game by then.

SOT · Jul 20, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by Edge Martinez

but it sounds like or looks like a monster is attacking one of your party during the cutscene? Skip right away... because a monster is attacking one of your party during the cutscene.

But no damage is dealt, this was fixed in a recent update...

SOT · Jul 20, 2005, 06:45 AM // 06:45

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

If the majority of hte people want to skip, then the last holdout should skip, it's just being considerate. If they don't, they're being lame. I don't, however, go around cussing people out, and act like a prick. I don't CARE. But it's just simple common friggin courtesy to move along, when everyone else wants to move along.

I don't care what mission or circumstance it is.

I don't care if my entire party deigns to skip. If I have not seen the cutscene, I will watch it, and they can deal with it.

Prick indeed.

Kiiron · Jul 20, 2005, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

If 5 of 6 people have voted to skip the cutscene, quit being a selfish asshat, and skip as well. You're forcing your wishes on the vast majority of the players. If you REALLY want to watch a cutscene, then go and run it with henches, and watch it at your leisure.

Otherwise, majority rules. At least I wish it did, as far as cutscenes are concerned. Having one person out of a party selfishly holding up everyone else is just LAME.

This is EXACTLY why I almost never automatically skip the cutscenes if I'm playing a mission unless everyone else skips before me. That way if someone actually wants to see the scene, they won't feel like they're the only one. 4/6 looks alot better than 5/6, and just might keep someone's mouth shut to avoid an argument =). If everyone else decides to skip though, of course I'll skip ahead (unless I've never seen the scene before).

Kamatsu · Jul 20, 2005, 11:08 AM // 11:08

asdar - Again I must thank you for your advice about taking Watch Yourself! This skill is great and has saved me and the henchies more times than I can count. It's especially usefull for keeping alesia alive since she will inevitable run into range of everything and start loosing health fast as everything targets her.

Well I'm happy, I just made it to Beacon's Pearch and was pleased to have done it with henchies and only had to restart 1 mission once due to a silly bug (I got stuck IN the "ramp" where 1 of the engineer's stands.. pfft!). I must say it was a whole load of fun running around killing everything that I could.. I defiately utilized my newfound pulling and targeting skills.. heh

- Money

But dang, got to Beacon's Pearch and had ppl advertising "runs" to Droknoir's Forge and such from 2 to 5K gold. Makes me feel really, really poor since I only have like 6-7K gold max on my whole account. LOL I am poooorrr... heh

Guess I should go back and finish mapping some of the stuff I did.. and do it solo if I can. Well, that is if I really am bothered about getting more gold. Wonder if I'm poorer or richer than most "new" players would be by this point in the game.. heh

Doesn't bother me tho as I know I can make a few K gold easy enough... but still...

- scammers.

Heh, I'm sure one of the people advertising the run was a scammer. Asking for 5K gold.. 3K payable now and 2K payable at ... bah can't remember the name of the place now (not Snakes whatever, was yak or rak.. or something like that). pfft! yeah right, even if I did wan't to be run.. as if I'm going to pay 3K b4 even having gotten anywhere...

- Joe the Devourer.

Is it just me or is he a whimp? LOL I couldn't ever keep him alive... maybe I was just trying to fight too many things at once... but that was usually due to henchies activating too many critters.. LOL

Gotta say I'm glad you don't have to have him along to finish the quest.... without having him around it was fairly easy. Well apart from having to stand there doing nothing due to Pacifism cast on me, Stefan & Thom.. LOL

Those missions were long, and I'm glad I didn't try for the bonuses at the same time. Gotta say I was biting my nails at some points when I hit lag spikes.. and appeared to be near the end of the mission.. heh, last thing I wanted to do was time/lag out right before finishing them! hehe

But they were definately fun. Even if Alesia gave me a headache at some points with her stupid AI. LOL But then again, it definately made things more challanging trying to fight either trying to keep Alesia alive or trying to survive a hard fight without anyone to heal me. But trying to work out how to deal with each group and what angle/approach to take to get to them.. really was good to have to stop and think and consider just what I wanted to do and how to do it.. without having some stupid NPC to chase after to try and keep alive :P

I'm getting thre, slowly but surely. And I gotta say... someone definately got what they deserved! hehe.. :P

Mithie · Jul 20, 2005, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

I honestly can't understand how I can state something at least three times in a thread, yet people just don't friggin "get it".

How many times *do WE* have to state the fact that what you've been stating three times is WRONG... ALL THREE TIMES?

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If the majority of hte people want to skip, then the last holdout should skip, it's just being considerate.

BULL. If the last holdout didn't skip, I will assume he is new and has not seen the cutscene yet. Therefore, I SHOULD BE considerate of HIM, not the other way around. This way, it only costs me about half a minute to watch. Otherwise, it'll cost HIM another twenty minutes of doing the mission again with a hench party if he wants to see it again. This is called being considerate of others, and it's also called using your common sense. Get that into your head yet?

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If they don't, they're being lame. I don't, however, go around cussing people out, and act like a prick. I don't CARE. But it's just simple common friggin courtesy to move along, when everyone else wants to move along.

It's bloody hilarious how you love the word "considerate" and yet fail to grasp the simple concept that SOME people don't play this game to grind, or farm, or PVP, but just to immerse themselves in the storyline by watching the cutscenes. How much of an inconsiderate wanker do you have to be to scorn him for that? And you know what, I bet the other six people who skipped the 'scene don't give a bloody damn about it either. Let him watch, so what? Are you really that bogged down over wasting 30 seconds of your life so some one can get his money's worth of the game?

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I don't care what mission or circumstance it is.

"I don't care this, I don't care that", well how the hell are you suppose to bring out "considerate this, considerate that" and expect others to care about you if you don't give a bloody wank about them?

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You'll have a whole 10 or so months before the next expansion comes out - in time, you'll get tired of listening to the horrible acting after watching the same cut scenes a dozen times just like everyone else.

THERE ARE PLAYERS WHO JUST GOT THE GAME WHO HAVEN'T SEEN THE CUTSCENE YET. Drill this into your head, then we'll talk.

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Just wait until you get to Elona Reach and have to redo that mission 20-30 times to finally get a good group that knows how to do that mission successfully. You'll be begging for someone to skip by the fifth or sixth time.

Yeah, if you're an inconsiderate and impatient kid with ADD who lost his ritalin dosage. I don't mind, the majority of people that I've played with don't mind, and if it took you 20-30 times to finish ANY mission, you've got no right to pull rank, because that's just stupid.

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And people that don't skip if the party is being attacked during a cutscene need to get a clue. I've had half a party get whacked because one person didn't skip a cutscene during an infusion run. You'd think that once a person gets ascended they'd have an idea about how to play this game by then.

That's a clearly different issue. If the party gets attacked, and the person doesn't skip, then he deserves to be flamed for not using common sense. However, if you criticise the 1 guy out of your 8 memeber party for not skipping because it's his first time playing, I got news for you kid, grow up.

Mimi Miyagi · Jul 20, 2005, 05:56 PM // 17:56

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Originally Posted by Mithie

That's a clearly different issue. If the party gets attacked, and the person doesn't skip, then he deserves to be flamed for not using common sense. However, if you criticise the 1 guy out of your 8 memeber party for not skipping because it's his first time playing, I got news for you kid, grow up.

I see reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits either.

Otherwise, I think someone needs to take some Midol.

BTW - I'm not your "kid", I'm probably at least twice your age.

asdar · Jul 20, 2005, 06:26 PM // 18:26

I'm glad my advice helped and congratulations on getting to Beacon's.

As a War/mo you'll be able to run through Lornar's if you want some day. There's plenty of advice threads on how but it's pretty tough until you get balanced stance. It's really fun to load up Sprint and give it a go though. It gives you an idea of what you'll face at higher levels.

Watch the cut scene if you want, if someone gets upset they'll learn to cope. It's a very big part of the game to some people and if it's your first time then you deserve to see it the same way hard core players do.

When I'm playing I'll hold back on my skip vote 'til the last player goes so that new players don't feel the pressure of being the only one watching. if 3 out of 5 want to skip I'll watch, if 4 out of 5 then I'll skip even though in truth I'd just as soon skip it.

Mithie · Jul 20, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

I see reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits either.

Your argument: If 7 people in the party wants to skip, then if the remaining player does not, regardless of whether he has seen it or not, then he is inconsiderate.

I say you're wrong. If THAT wasn't your argument, then you need to learn basic textual communication.

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BTW - I'm not your "kid", I'm probably at least twice your age.

Judging from the way you tout your language, I highly doubt you're over 62. If you are, you're the most immature 62 year old I've ever had the pleasure of meeting online.

Krytan Warrior · Jul 20, 2005, 06:50 PM // 18:50

What`s the big deal about this? I don`t get it. If 7/8 players want to skip and 1 doesn`t, so what? It really doesn`t take that long to watch the scene. If it bothers someone... well that`s too bad.

Because really, all the people haven`t perhaps seen the cutscenes yet and they have right to enjoy the game and watch it. Plain and simple. It is rude to flame someone who just wants to enjoy the game and the plot by watching cutscenes.

I have a suggestion: Anet should remove that text "so and so many players want to skip the cutscene" It is of no use anyway so why keep it?

stumpy · Jul 20, 2005, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

I see reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits either.

Otherwise, I think someone needs to take some Midol.

BTW - I'm not your "kid", I'm probably at least twice your age.

Well in this particular forum on both pages you have responded like quite an asshat yourself. I wouldn't expect that from someone with some maturity ... if 7/8 want to skip the cutscene ... and one isnt ... maybe ... just maybe he ran to get a drink ... or perhaps you could use a breather and calm your nerves ...

if it is indeed a newbie first run ... it really shouldn't be a big deal ... what are they like a whole minute? not really worth the contravesy. Many of us are mature and old ... and have finished the game 6 times over with numerous toons, but can bear the minute to let someone watch the movie.

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

I honestly can't understand how I can state something at least three times in a thread, yet people just don't friggin "get it".

Doesn't it just eat you up when people don't clear out there earwax? (rhetorical pun intended)

Kamatsu · Jul 21, 2005, 01:45 AM // 01:45

Asdar - I'm not sure if I'll be doing any "running" anyware. I'll just have to see how things pan out. for now I think I'm going to backtrack and map some and try and get some money. I feel deadbroke with only 7K gold :P

As for the storyline/cutscenes I'll admit it's a big part for me. I like storyline and seeing how thigs progress. For me GW is just another rpg which has the added bonus of being played online with other players. Even though I haven't done any missions or such with anyone else, I love the fact that I can if i want to.. or I can just chat and dance away in towns/outposts with others if I don't feel like doing a quest, mission or exploration.

Nefser · Jul 21, 2005, 07:40 AM // 07:40

A.Net gave the option to the players. Each person watching the cutscene can choose to either a) press the button or b) NOT press the button.

In no way should abuse be hurled at a) those who wish to skip the cutscene (and who may ask for everyone to [hopefully politely] or b) those who choose to watch (or are using the time to have a wee or run to make a quick sandwich).

FWIW: I'm usually not bothered about watching them, so I tend to skip. Sometimes I'm really not in the mood and want to 'get going' and thus ask everyone to skip. But if someone really wants to watch it that badly then fine. There are just too many self-centered, arrogant, loud-mouthed fools playing this game who believe their choice not to watch is the RIGHT one. And vent accordingly after having been made to wait.

[ Note: They are probably the same one's who refuse to bring a rez sig to arena...due to their 'ultra-build' using all 8 slots. ]

Sagius Truthbarron · Jul 21, 2005, 08:09 AM // 08:09

I hate getting in groups with actuall people, myself. I'de really rather just go with henchmen. And that I do with my E/me, but it's almost impossible (for me) with a W/mo or W/r... Donnu why